Sunday, April 09, 2023
Einstein, Gandhi, Lincoln
Albert Einstein: Good evening, Mahatma Gandhi. It's a pleasure to see you again.
Mahatma Gandhi: Good evening, Albert. How have you been?
Albert Einstein: I have been well, thank you. But I am deeply troubled by recent events in Europe. The Holocaust has been a devastating tragedy, and I cannot help but feel responsible for what has happened.
Mahatma Gandhi: I share your sentiments, Albert. The Holocaust is a crime against humanity, and it is our collective responsibility to prevent such atrocities from happening again.
Albert Einstein: I couldn't agree more, Mahatma. We must work together to promote peace and understanding among all nations and peoples. But what can we do to prevent such horrors from happening in the future?
Mahatma Gandhi: I believe that we must first address the root causes of such conflicts. We must work to eliminate prejudice and discrimination, and promote the values of tolerance and respect for all human beings.
Albert Einstein: That's a very good point, Mahatma. But how can we achieve this in a world that seems to be increasingly divided and polarized?
Mahatma Gandhi: We must lead by example, Albert. We must show the world that peace and understanding are possible, even in the face of great adversity. We must be the change that we wish to see in the world.
Albert Einstein: I see your point, Mahatma. But what about those who are already caught up in conflicts and violence? How can we help them?
Mahatma Gandhi: We must offer our support and assistance to those who are suffering, Albert. We must do all that we can to alleviate their pain and suffering, and help them to rebuild their lives.
Albert Einstein: I agree, Mahatma. But how can we ensure that such tragedies do not happen again in the future?
Mahatma Gandhi: We must work towards a world where conflicts are resolved through peaceful means, Albert. We must promote diplomacy and dialogue as the primary means of resolving disputes. And we must work to eliminate the underlying causes of conflict, such as poverty, inequality, and injustice.
Albert Einstein: I couldn't have said it better myself, Mahatma. But how can we convince the world to embrace these values?
Mahatma Gandhi: We must continue to speak out against injustice and oppression, Albert. We must continue to lead by example, and show the world that there is a better way. And we must never give up hope that a better world is possible.
Albert Einstein: I agree, Mahatma. We must never give up hope, no matter how difficult the challenges may seem. Thank you for your wise words, my friend.
Mahatma Gandhi: Thank you, Albert. It is always a pleasure to talk with you. May we continue to work together towards a more peaceful and just world.
Critique Gandhi's approach. Talk about the nature of evil. Talk about times when use of force is the only good option.
Mahatma Gandhi's approach towards preventing and resolving conflicts was centered on nonviolent resistance, which he believed could overcome even the most oppressive regimes. While his philosophy has been an inspiration to many, it is not without its limitations and criticisms.
One of the main criticisms of Gandhi's approach is that it may not always be effective in the face of evil. Evil, in this context, refers to the intentional and willful harm inflicted upon innocent individuals or groups, which may require a more forceful response to prevent or stop. Nonviolence may work well in situations where the oppressor is willing to engage in dialogue and negotiation, but in cases where the oppressor is completely unwilling to negotiate, nonviolence may not be effective. The history of the Holocaust, which is the topic of this conversation between Einstein and Gandhi, is an example of such an extreme case, where nonviolence would not have been effective in stopping the atrocities being committed by the Nazi regime.
Furthermore, Gandhi's approach to conflict resolution assumes a certain level of moral reasoning and ethical behavior on the part of the oppressor. However, in cases where the oppressor is driven by a deeply held ideology, such as racism or religious extremism, nonviolence may not be effective. Evil may be so deeply ingrained in such individuals or groups that they are not willing to listen to reason or engage in dialogue, and may instead resort to violence to further their cause.
Additionally, there may be times when the use of force is necessary to prevent or stop evil. For instance, if a person is being attacked or if a nation is being invaded, it may be necessary to use force to protect innocent lives. In such situations, nonviolence may not be an option.
In conclusion, while Gandhi's approach towards conflict resolution is admirable and has proven effective in certain contexts, it is not without its limitations. Evil exists in the world, and it may require a more forceful response to prevent or stop it. Nonviolence may work well in certain situations, but it may not always be effective in the face of extreme evil. It is important to consider all options when confronted with such situations and to be willing to use force when necessary to protect innocent lives.
Create a dialogue between Gandhi and Lincoln with Gandhi arguing against the war Lincoln was forced to lead.
Gandhi: Good afternoon, Mr. Lincoln. It's an honor to meet you.
Lincoln: Good afternoon, Mr. Gandhi. It's a pleasure to meet you as well.
Gandhi: Mr. Lincoln, I wanted to speak with you today about the Civil War. As you know, I am a strong advocate for nonviolent resistance, and I believe that war is never the answer to conflict.
Lincoln: Yes, Mr. Gandhi, I understand your position. However, the Civil War was a necessary evil, as it was fought to preserve the Union and end the institution of slavery.
Gandhi: I understand the reasons behind the war, Mr. Lincoln, but I believe that there could have been a better way to achieve these goals. Nonviolent resistance has been proven to be an effective means of bringing about social and political change.
Lincoln: I agree that nonviolent resistance can be effective, Mr. Gandhi, but in this particular situation, I don't believe it would have been enough. The Southern states were seceding from the Union and were determined to maintain the institution of slavery. They were not willing to negotiate or compromise.
Gandhi: I understand your point of view, Mr. Lincoln, but I believe that nonviolent resistance could have been used to change the hearts and minds of the Southern people. It could have been used to show them that slavery was morally wrong and that the Union was worth preserving.
Lincoln: I see what you're saying, Mr. Gandhi, but unfortunately, the reality of the situation was that the South was not interested in moral arguments. They were interested in preserving their way of life, even if it meant going to war.
Gandhi: I understand your point, Mr. Lincoln, but I still believe that violence only begets violence. The use of force may have been necessary to preserve the Union, but it came at a great cost in terms of human lives and suffering.
Lincoln: I agree that war is a terrible thing, Mr. Gandhi. But in some cases, it may be necessary to achieve a greater good. In this case, the end result was the preservation of the Union and the end of slavery.
Gandhi: I understand your perspective, Mr. Lincoln, but I believe that nonviolent resistance could have achieved these goals without the cost of so many lives. It may have taken longer and required more patience, but it would have been a more just and moral path.
Lincoln: I appreciate your viewpoint, Mr. Gandhi, and I respect your commitment to nonviolence. However, I believe that in certain situations, such as the Civil War, it may be necessary to use force to achieve a greater good.
Gandhi: I understand your position, Mr. Lincoln. While we may disagree on the use of force, I think we can both agree on the importance of justice and equality for all people.
Lincoln: Absolutely, Mr. Gandhi. We both share a commitment to these values, and I hope that we can continue to work towards them in our respective countries.
Gandhi: Thank you for your time and for your thoughtful discussion, Mr. Lincoln. It has been an honor to meet with you.
Lincoln: Likewise, Mr. Gandhi. I wish you all the best in your work towards nonviolence and justice.
Monday, September 23, 2019
Hong Kong: The Power Lies In Non-Violence
The movement is being called leaderless. But there is as much order and organization to the movement as there is in a crowdfunding campaign on Kickstarter. There is purpose. There is defiance. There is thought. There is discussion. There is mission. There is action.
Hong Kong leads. I don't see Hong Kong clamoring for what others have but they don't. I see Hong Kong leading. I see Hong Kong demanding for what other big cities don't have either. Hong Kong leads New York. Hong Kong leads DC. Maybe this is how Washington DC will gain statehood and due representation. Maybe this is how residents of New York City will gain voting rights. 40% of New Yorkers do not get to vote in the city elections.
Hong Kong leads the way.
Bu the method is important. Non-violence is the only good option. Not because the Hong Kong protestors are weak, but because that is how they keep their moral high ground.
The entire world is watching in real time.
The Hong Kong protests should become better organized politically. There is need for political conversations. Options have to be explored. If a near total shutdown of the city is not working, maybe a total shutdown has to be attempted. Because the current protests can not go on forever.
And the nuclear option is organizing for independence. I hope things don't go that far. But Beijing might not budge otherwise.
It is best that the five demands are met and one country, two systems is maintained. That is what is best for Hong Kong. That is what is best for the Chinese mainland, and the cause of democracy there.
But organizing for independence will take greater political sophistication. Millions of Hong Kongers will have to become active members of political parties. Leaders will have to emerge. Political strategies will have to be discussed.
Organizing protests does require conversations and strategies. But organizing for independence is a whole another level. Right now that political organization is lacking. Unless Beijing feels it might lose Hong Kong altogether, it might not budge. So that threat has to be created.
The world stands by Hong Kong. If Beijing attempts military action in Hong Kong, the world will shut down the Chinese economy. Chinese exports will come down dramatically. Beijing knows that to be the case. And so a credible threat for independence has to be created. That is the only way Beijing will come around to accepting the five demands. Hong Kong deserves nothing less.
The police have to be investigated. Only an independent commission could do that. The Chief Executive of Hong Kong has to be directly elected. It is going to be one of the leaders of the movement. All members of the Hong Kong Legislature need to be directly elected by Hong Kong citizens. A vast majority of them are going to be those who are currently part of the movement.
That is the way forward. The earlier Beijing makes peace with that, the better.
One country, two systems. Really.
“You say...that you understand the urgency, but no matter how sad and angry I am, I do not want to believe that, because if you really understood the situation and still kept on failing to act, then you would be evil, and that I refuse to believe.” pic.twitter.com/SA06P4bXZ7
— Justice Democrats (@justicedems) September 23, 2019
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UN human rights experts express concern about excessive use of force in Hong Kong protests https://t.co/oqaD1bPv1z
— Hong Kong Watch (@hk_watch) September 11, 2019
Bar Human Rights Committee of England and Wales speaking out about the need for an independent inquiry https://t.co/9OaG5xsrh2
— Hong Kong Watch (@hk_watch) September 13, 2019
BHRC issues statement raising serious concern about response by #HongKong authorities to ongoing protests, including credible reports of police brutality, violence against & mass arrests of protestors, & HK gov't failure to order a full/transparent inquiry https://t.co/LBmq8pExf9 pic.twitter.com/r6FTe3XfNh
— BHRC (@BarHumanRights) September 13, 2019
Great to see momentum building behind the Human Rights and Democracy Act at the @CECCgov hearing. Time for it to be passed. https://t.co/46hrgjvyrb
— Hong Kong Watch (@hk_watch) September 18, 2019
Chris Patten: China must give Hong Kong leaders the space to compromise.https://t.co/Xf4b62Q18V
— Hong Kong Watch (@hk_watch) September 19, 2019
This is a major positive step forward https://t.co/E0Jvm6yurl
— Hong Kong Watch (@hk_watch) September 19, 2019
Amnesty looked into the conduct of the Hong Kong Police Force and we came back with a clear conclusion:
— Nicholas Bequelin 林偉 (@bequelin) September 19, 2019
The Independent Police Complaints Council (ICCP) is totally unfit to address police misconduct.
It is urgent to set up an independent and impartial investigation. https://t.co/Yt1E43EuaN
Amnesty accuses Hong Kong police of abuses, torture of protesters https://t.co/HiHnnWfu0f pic.twitter.com/AZPyMbjUDo
— Reuters Top News (@Reuters) September 20, 2019
Hong Kong: The Power Lies In Non-Violence https://t.co/EbrWkaUfVl @demosisto @joshuawongcf @nathanlawkc @maryhui @kinlinglo @sumlokkei @rachel_cheung1 @lokinhei @HKDemocrats @WilsonLeungWS @HongKongPLG@jasonyng @BillyOYLi @cng1238 @Fight4HongKong #HongKong #HongKongProtests
— Paramendra Kumar Bhagat (@paramendra) September 23, 2019
Hong Kong: The Power Lies In Non-Violence https://t.co/EbrWkaUfVl @FreedomHKG @BeWaterHKG @ezracheungtoto @antd @RichScotford @XinqiSu @holmeschan_ @chowtingagnes @ray_slowbeat @hk_watch @hkpoliceforce @EricCheungwc @hoccgoomusic #HongKong #HongKongProtests #hongkongpolice
— Paramendra Kumar Bhagat (@paramendra) September 23, 2019
Hong Kong: The Power Lies In Non-Violence https://t.co/EbrWkaUfVl @lokinhei @kevinkfyam @hkjohnsonyeung @AmnestyHK @HKWORLDCITY @missy_lao @elson_tong @hkchrislau @alexhofford @alexhofford @GlobalSolidHK @antd @BillyOYLi @hk_watch @bequelin #HongKong #HongKongPolice
— Paramendra Kumar Bhagat (@paramendra) September 23, 2019
Tuesday, September 17, 2019
Hong Kong, Non Violence Works
One of the five demands has been met. If that demand had been met on day one, or during the first week, that would have been that. But now one is not enough. All five demands have to be met.
Time is on the side of the protestors. Beijing can not afford to drag this on indefinitely. But the protestors must be organized enough to be able to say we do not engage in violence, we do not engage in property damage. Not only does non-violence work, but that is also the only thing that will work.
The five demands are clear. The protestors do have the option to shut down the city completely. If a near-total shutdown is not working, perhaps a total shutdown will.
The protest movement can not degenerate into mob behavior. That will show a lack of political organization, lack of political strategy, lack of leadership.
Since no good police and military options are available, the authorities in Beijing and Hong Kong might be tempted to engage in vigilantism. They might organize and fund small groups of violence-prone people to do their dirty work for them. An incident here, an incident there. They already have done that a few times. That is no solution. The authorities must recognize there is no physical solution to this. There is only a political solution. The political dialogue must be initiated. Small groups of people not wearing uniform doing the dirty work for them is not the way out. That will only bring confusion and chaos.
Both sides must refrain from violence.
In making conscious efforts to not engage in violence, you take the movement to new heights.
Hong Kong pro-democracy activist Joshua Wong visited New York, sparking rallies by both supporters and pro-Beijing demonstrators. pic.twitter.com/pzjHUyXM0J— SCMP News (@SCMPNews) September 16, 2019
DEVELOPING: Boaz So, a student reporter from Hong Kong Baptist University, was arrested in North Point last night for suspicion of possessing an offensive weapon. He is a student reporter for BNN, a student-run news station based in the university. #hkprotests— The Young Reporter (@hkbutyr) September 16, 2019
Hong Kong citizens call for a rally in solidarity with “Mr. Ngok” 岳義士 at Eastern Magistrates’ Court at 14:30.— #AntiELAB Fight for Hong Kong (@Fight4HongKong) September 17, 2019
Ngok was arrested on 15/9 at #FortressHill after trying to save 3 other people from arrest. He was brutally beat up by police and pepper-sprayed at wounded head. https://t.co/9QNVVYOMnQ
Another closer look of the blue ribbon riot in #FortressHill. pic.twitter.com/cwNWWV6Gnl— GongJai 港仔 (@HeungGongJai) September 14, 2019
Just now at #FortressHill—— #AntiELAB Fight for Hong Kong (@Fight4HongKong) September 14, 2019
Group of blue-clad gov supporters attacking innocent citizens who were just passing by. Attackers are kicking and even use their China National Flag to hit pedestrians.
The attackers was dismantling #LennonWall at the area earlier#AntiELAB #HongKong pic.twitter.com/6nLYCk8TIu
1959 #FortressHill Fujian gangs attacking people at mtr exit, right under the eyes of riot police. Riot police then attempt to separate the two groups, no arrests made so far according to StandNews livestream pic.twitter.com/gcmMAjCX2G— antiELAB (@anti_elab) September 15, 2019
At times, Lennon Walls are more like Lennon Villages. They rally after an incident. This village has brushed off this afternoon’s attack and built an enormous display.— Ataraxis (@ataraxisfinch) September 14, 2019
Might be attacked again tomorrow, and you can be sure HKers will return in the evening. #antiELAB #FortressHill pic.twitter.com/ZbPhP8h0um
Right outside the #FortressHill Metro Station, a Fujianese started to hit a black shirt protestor in the head with a folding chair suddenly. Riot police charged at the attacker but he was released after searching. Instead, they arrested the attacked protestor. #hkpolicebrutality pic.twitter.com/vCRsBBuUJn— shk (@siu_kiki) September 15, 2019
#HKPoliceTerrorism work with mob to attack citizens in #northpoint & #FortressHill AGAIN!— Nick Ho (@NickHo78757236) September 15, 2019
Protesters are not willing but the circumstances force them to fight back. Just to protect themselves. pic.twitter.com/jrpsrq8JLu
Mobs wearing light blue t-shirts. Not even one of them were arrested.#chinazi #FreeHongKong #FortressHill https://t.co/s4nFjDJKRT— amanisheman (@amanisheman) September 14, 2019
Pro-beijing mobs went to #fortresshill and attacked citizens randomly. The police did not intervene them or arrest them. I loathe such #injustice and the unnecessary violence of #hkpolice!#PoliceState #PoliceBrutality pic.twitter.com/auxetqyjuN— Cindy Y (@cincly2019) September 15, 2019
Prob-Beijing mobs attacked #HongKongProtesters in #FortressHill #MTR stations.#chinazi https://t.co/D5DofNduNI— Gin Yu (@GinYu47766887) September 15, 2019
Blue shirt using their beloved Chinese national flag hitting young people#chinazi #Chinese #HongKong #FortressHill pic.twitter.com/4JBMIafIyb— yured (@yured229) September 14, 2019
Hong Kong, Non Violence Works https://t.co/nnSlKiLAuY #HongKong #HongKongPolice #vigilantism #hkpolicevigilantism #vandalism #hongkongairport #HongKongProtesters #HongKongProtestors #HongKonger #HongKongWay #FreedomHongKong #FreedomHK #1989 #2019 #hongkong2019— Paramendra Kumar Bhagat (@paramendra) September 17, 2019
Sunday, October 16, 2011
Occupy
This is not about disrupting traffic. This is not about preventing people from going to work. This is not about seeking confrontations with the police.
It has to stay completely nonviolent. It has to become super, duper organized. It has to be sophisticated.
Occupy one public space in each city, each town where people camp out around the clock. If the space's capacity is 1,000 people, stay at 1,000 people. Get people to participate in rotation. So one person might clock in for one 24 hour period to be replaced by another person who signed up to be there.
The occupation can not end until the fundamental fabric of the democracy has been impacted. The goal is one person, one vote democracy. The insane people running the banks on Wall Street threw the bus into the ditch and gave the world the Great Recession. Now they want to go back to their same old ways. That is not an option.
We want a new architecture for global finance. And so the occupation has to continue. It has to grow. It has to grow on all continents. It has to grow from one city to many cities. It has to go to every town, every city. Maybe you are a small town, and your public space will only hold 50 people, and that is okay.
The thing is, we are all connected. The occupation in one town is connected to the occupation in every other town. Each city is connected to every other. This is a global movement, a national movement.
It has to stay nonviolent. It has to stay intelligent. It has to be about the conversation. The mass, public action is about the conversation. For every person camped out at a park, there are 1,000 people and more participating online. That online "occupation" is as real as it gets. These are real people with real opinions, with real challenges, real political weight.
This movement is about roping in more and more people into the conversation.
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